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|  | The LBTL... State of the Union
« Thread Started on Mar 6, 2008, 7:56pm » | |
I've come here to this forum for a frank discussion of the state of the LBTL. Especially since I understood that WE would be responcible for weapons check this year at RAG XXIII, along with The Dominion.
A. Is that still True?
B. Who is our current LBTL leadership?
C. Things in the LBTL seem very fractured, like there are grivences that need to be aired and relationships that need to be repaired, can I play a role in getting us all back on the same page so that when we come together at RAG... we come TOGETHER?
If everyone will be at the O's... would we have the opportunity on Friday nite for a High Council LBTL meeting?
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| | Re: The LBTL... State of the Union
« Reply #1 on Mar 7, 2008, 7:57am » | |
I agree we need to sit down and decide what we are going to do as far as the LBTL goes.
You bring up some good questions and points and Dunland will be happy to sit at council to help iron things out.
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« Reply #2 on Mar 7, 2008, 8:06am » | |
Might I suggest to stream line such a meeting that each realm designate 2 to 3 of their respective leadership to act as representatives with the authority to speak for their realm and bring up issues their respective realm has?
this of course is just a thought, because I know some realms have a larger leadership than some might have, just want to make it seem less of a gang up if one realm has an issue with something that is proposed.
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« Reply #3 on Mar 7, 2008, 12:29pm » | |
Why I hadn't thought of that.
I just assumed it would be only 2 or 3 from each realm. But best to say that outright. I agree Brogas. I'm gathering it will be hard enough to clear the air as it is.
Personally I have some guidelines as to how the meeting should be run, so that ...
A.) It only last for and hour (or less)
B.) People are allowed thier say, and listened to, and respected.
But all that depends of the current LBTL leadership... I believe that there are actual apointed/elected leaders of the LBTL... currently... who is on this council?
I'm not exactly sure who the leadership is (currently) in each realm.
For Aethenu this would be... FROST, (Khan) & ORION (Sakhan) and Greybeard as advisor
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« Reply #4 on Mar 7, 2008, 2:12pm » | |
Current Respresentatives for Dunland to alliances, War Council, etc. are Sir Brogas (King) and Anvil (Chancellor).
It should be noted that this does not entail the entire High Council of Dunland
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« Reply #5 on Mar 7, 2008, 9:07pm » | |
Here is a list of Aethenu’s Government.
As Greybeard metioned above our LBTL reps will be Frost, Greybeard, and myself.
Lord.Khan: Varian Frost
SaKhan: Orion Dar'Kyn
IlKhan: Thaddiaos
Abbott of Aethenu: Christian de Gries Barboure "Graybeard"
Oathmaster: Vacant for now
Aethenric Council
Graybeard, Leander, Jackyl, Loki, and Sanjuro
Quarter Master: Draco
Chapter Unit leaders:
Dragoons: Frost
Demon Reavers: Orion
Army of Mordor: Jackyl
Tou Fuu Shogunate: Sanjuro
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« Reply #6 on Mar 7, 2008, 11:36pm » | |
Weapons check for Rag is still a go. I should be recieving word from Dominion anytime detailing more information as they are the point of contact for the Rag War Council due to having experience leading Rag weapons check in the past.
I will make sure to get that information to give to the entire LBTL during the meeting and I can pass off the point man position of that to whoever the LBTL leaders would like me to if it is deemed appropriate or necessary, but am more than willing to continue on in that respect if it is desired.
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« Reply #7 on Mar 8, 2008, 12:44am » | |
Your'e the man for that in my opinion. You have my full support and the realm of Aethenu.
My vote is you continue as point man, and you can expect at least 5 helpers from Aethenu to help man the weapons check. Hopefully more.
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« Reply #8 on Mar 8, 2008, 6:26am » | |
I to agree that Zaron is the best man for the job, also you are already familiar with Dominion. I definitely agree with a meeting Friday night at the O's. We now have a council in Mittelmarch but 2 or 3 will be decided upon to be apart of the meeting. Z, I'm not sure were you are at, at this moment, but I hope you would be apart of the meeting as well.
Topics I'm thinking of for the meeting:
LBTL Camp at Rag?
Campmaster at Rag?
Weapons Check at Rag
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« Reply #9 on Mar 8, 2008, 8:53am » | |
Dunland leadership:
King - Brogas
Chancellor - Anvil
Royal Treasurer - Plebian Galvorn
Gatereach Mayor - Melko
Gatereach Scribe - Thage
Gladden Fields Mayor - Oloth
Gladden Fields Scribe - Bel'la
Unit leaders:
Chu Ku'tal - Banith
Defenders of Dunland - Anvil
I'm all for talking about Rag, but lets make sure the LBTL is going to stay together and function first.
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« Reply #10 on Mar 8, 2008, 1:17pm » | |
is the meeting for just the appointees or can others sit in.
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« Reply #11 on Mar 8, 2008, 2:28pm » | |
Anvil, Rag is the most important topic because what is decided about the LBTL at the Olympics does not mater. The Rag war council and Dominion are counting on the LBTL to help run weapons check at rag this year. Even if for some reason the LBTL no longer exists we still need to come together at Rag for the weapons check to fulfill the LBTL’s only standing obligation.
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« Reply #12 on Mar 8, 2008, 2:45pm » | |
Alright, I gather that there is NO current LBTL leadership/chairman/council? (If there ever was one) As I recall, the individual realm leaders all had a seat on the LBTL counil.
But that was then... this is now, and the LBTL has been non-fuctioning organization for some time, and well... there are even new realms that qualify to be in the LBTL so it's actually a larger organization that it was "Then". Am I right?
By my reconing active membership would include... (alphabetically)
Aethenu:
Dragonspire:
Dunland:
Mittelmarch:
The Legion of the Dragoons:
and The Northern Steps:
But it shouldn't also include our lesser heard from comrades in...
Camp Ethalon:
Fagorn Forest:
Dobharchu Donn:
and Stormhaven:
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Well, I listed it this way since, for all intents and purposes the LBTL alliance is practical in so far as it serves us as a RAGNAROK land grab, (and Oct.fest) and it would make Weapons check easier.
The second list has so far not been content be remain aloof from our camping confederancy, which is fine, but we should make it clear they are welcome if they want to join.
Since I percieve we are in need of a moderater, I put myself forward for this for three reasons
1.) I'm not involved now, nor have I been involved in any current realm or inter realm politics.
(True, I did withdraw from the LOD after Rag last year, but I remain a friend to the Dragoons and will continue to look out for thier best interests.)
2.) I'm looking forward to Ragnarok this year and intend to have fun and enjoy the week. This will happen whether or not the LBTL can pull together in friendship. But it would be best if we could, and I desire to see that happen.
3.) I believe most of the current realm leaders find me trustworthy and servant oriented, not afraid to speak the truth in love, and not out for a power trip, and I've been respectful even when there have been dissagreements. This will not change.
But I don't want to step on any toes. If I'm to serve as mediator, I would accept an appointment by the realm leaders posted on this forum, or If it would be in better order, I would like the vote of the realm leaders when we meet at the O's on Friday. Since Mittelmarch is serving as host for the event, I suggest that Nichtmar (or another coucil member of Mittelmarch)open the meeting and make the first order of buisness the election of the mediator and take nominations from the floor.
I think Nichtmar's suggestion for the agenda are sound, but they are more complex than they appear. If elected, I will provide a written and more detailed outline of this agenda. Beyond those three points I see only one other thing, which is that we conclude the meeting with an election of an Honorary LBTL Chairman/ambassitor who will serve a one year term.
Is this agreeable?
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« Reply #13 on Mar 8, 2008, 3:53pm » | |
Fangorn has been contacted and will post by monday. I posted on storm havens board with no reply yet. I do not know how to get ahold of Camp Ethalon, and is the Dobharchu Donn a chapter.
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« Reply #14 on Mar 8, 2008, 4:05pm » | |
I'm sorry, you may delete this if you wish...I think there is a little confusion for the realms who did not attend Rag last year.
We registered as LBTL to gain a great piece of land. Due to our pre-reg numbers we were able to get a spot next to merchant row, porta pots, battlefiled and lake. Without the pull of the groups pre-reg we would have been a few miles away from everything...including bathrooms.
Once at Rag, units and realms clupmed into areas within our land. We got to be apart of the LBTL, but we also got to camp with our brothern. No one has to be worried about being separated from their realm or what they wish to do.
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For registration there has to be one camp master...but maybe each realm could have an elected member to act with the camp master once at Rag. This way each elected member could watch over their area and people...it also lightens the load.
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Weapons check is every day for missle weapons, but every other day for non missle weapons. If we get 60-100 total Indiana (LBTL) people at Rag then everyone could be split into shifts. I worked with Dominion a few days last year and they have a large group. This way you only end up doing it once or twice for the week, unless you are a pointman.
I dont know if this helps anyone...my lips are zipped. 
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« Reply #15 on Mar 8, 2008, 4:09pm » | |
The Northern Steppes will be there. Current leadership is myself. As for the goon's it would be Bishop and Militis.
This is as far as I am aware. B and M (hehe) both live in the NS's though so I'm not sure where they will stand.
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« Reply #16 on Mar 8, 2008, 6:04pm » | |
That's helpful info, Keyna... no prob.
I remember that Fagorn had their own site. And oursite was a mishmash of realms.
It was origionally set up (in the layout on the forum) as a great square. With a center tarp and firepit around which all the tents would face.
However the plan was not held to.
I said this was to be a frank discussion and so here it is... and hope we can air out a bit of laundry before the LBTL meeting.
The original idea was a square camp with a center tarp/fire pit. My brother and friend, Bishop significaly altered those plans when he arrived early and claimed the center of camp for his personal space. This did more than fracture the camp lay out, it also contributed to the disunity so many of us felt in the camp last year. God love him, but it's the truth.
Nothing could be more true this year than to say that each realm will desire to have a realm camp. Unless I've been made blind, it can't be ignored that our divisions (remenisant of the tower of babel) have had an unexpected positive consequence... and that is our individual realms have recieved much needed attention and have become things of beauty. Where numbers are still small, at least in terms of Ragnarok attendace, thre will likely be allied camps, but the reality is... IF WE WANT THE AMMENITIES OF GOOD LAND... we will need the LBTL to get it... or as I assume might happen, the Dragoons or some other unit, might solicit Erydor for a fraction of thier space, as we did in past years.
As I see it, IF we combine our number under the LBTL, we will get the land we hope for... BUT if we think that means we will get enough land to make divided camps... I think we have to get another think going...
My concern is that DAG outgrew the campground LAST year... this year, we will be crammed tighter. And I think it's unlikely we will be granted enough room to split the camps in to two, let alone three or more. I can be persuaded that I wrong about that, but it will take some doing.
So "clumped" is the right word Keyna.
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« Reply #17 on Mar 8, 2008, 7:00pm » | |
Right now Beringaria and I are the leaders of Dragonspire. We are still working on organization. All of our members are new to Dag and organizations like it.
I am all for an LBTL camp and hope to get some of our members to be there...right now I am pushing for Olympics. I will bring things up at our practices and get back with what we talk about.
Nichtmar said it properly when he pointed out we have some growing pains. As the realms prosper we will get more of these pains, that is the way of things.
If the LBTL uses land grab at Rag and assistance with weapons check and education in new realms as its basis this may give us a productive core to start with.
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« Reply #18 on Mar 8, 2008, 7:03pm » | |
I came into Rag last year not really knowing what to expect. I came on Weds. evening and just kinda crashed into my teeny tent. As far as I could observe, it seemed like it was a Dragoon camp with satellites of other LBTL-ers around us.
I am completely Cool with doing a big LBTL land area (with Zaron as master again if he will) and trying to make more of a central area for ALL of us as friends and fighters to join under. We can still fly our markers and "break" into areas for our separate units or realms. We area one Land made of many different areas, let us live like such even at Rag.
As for a High Council meeting at the O's... I'm all for it. We are having a small meeting tomorrow in the NS and I will see if my warriors still wish me to represent the realm.
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« Reply #19 on Mar 8, 2008, 8:23pm » | |
Hail and well met! I am representing Fangorn Forest. We apologize for having little contact with the rest of LBTL. Sometimes we forget there's people north of us since we're so far away. 
Fangorn Leadership is as follows:
Realm Leader - Ejike
Public Liaison - Sita Avaaraa
Head Herald - Tari Tinehtele
Strict positions of office are not really enforced; usually everyone from the realm throws in something to help out.
Dobharchu Donn was a unit in the Fangorn Forest area. After our chieftain moved from the state for RL reasons, the members of Dobharchu Donn, myself being one, decided to cease our activity and simply stay in touch as friends, nothing more.
Several from Fangorn will be at Olympics; Sita and myself would be the Fangorn representatives because I believe Ejike is not attending. We are more than happy to discuss any topics over Rag, and you have our full support and as many people as we can supply in weapons check for Rag as well.
Thank you for your time, and a special thank you to Orion for contacting us. Hopefully we'll see you all at Olympics!
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« Reply #20 on Mar 8, 2008, 11:21pm » | |
Hail and well met! Tari!
I've only met a few from Fagorn.
Semi/Dugal/Ravenheart was the first person I met in DAG Indy, some four years ago.
And look I'm still in the game!
(Love ya Semi, Hope to see you at Rag?)
I'm going to assume that Fagorn will want to Camp on the hill by the pond again? (Great location, but too far to walk, and UP HILL, not great for old knees.) But I'm also assuming you want in on weapons check, with the LBTL am I right? (Great!)
And if we do an LBTL prereg landgrab, I'm hopeing you might pregreg with us, but still take the hill? correct? Lots of assumptions... how close am I?
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« Reply #21 on Mar 9, 2008, 1:13am » | |
Haha, pretty close. That camp site was actually called Anaujiram and housed not only us from Fangorn, but Bladestorm and their friends as well. I think we're actually trying to find a location closer to the city this year; we're talking among those who are going about having a full Fangorn camp, but possibly still pre-reging under LBTL We all tried to get it done last year, but none of us had ways to pay online at the time, and three of us came Thursday night... it was just a mess. We are however, starting much sooner this year in planning, so it should make pre-reging easier.
And of coarse, count us in for Rag weapons check. There are to my knowledge at least 5 of us planning on going, so hopefully we'll be able to help.
I hope Semi comes to Rag too. I haven't seen my chieftain in a long time!
You said the High Council meeting was to be Friday night of Olympics, yes? My car load should be there by around 7 at the latest that night, so hopefully we won't miss anything.
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« Reply #22 on Mar 9, 2008, 6:47am » | |
Hey guys, I just came by to share in Fangorn's apology for losing contact. At the moment there are not plans for me to hit the O's, but that could potentially change. If I could make it though, I'd be all about restoring the Lands. Rag this year is almost definitely not happening, but if going to the Olympics means our ties with our (slightly colder) Northern brethren are strengthened, then I'll do whatever I can to make it up there!
Hope to see (and fight!) you all!
~Ejike
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« Reply #23 on Mar 9, 2008, 8:02pm » | |
Our Host for the O's is Mittlemarch, so I can't see having the meeting until after thier Troll closes... I'm guessing a good time for the meeting would be 10:30 0r 11:00pm
Some might say that's late, but not by DAG standards.
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« Reply #24 on Mar 9, 2008, 8:31pm » | |
Im bringing a ton of my savages from the NS to the O's. We came to the choice today that I will represent us.
And 11 is nice and early for me GB!!!
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